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  • G-BKLW


    SA341G(S) G-BKLW (cn.1295) NFI

    G-BKLW went on to become YU-HVZ aka 'Black Pete'.

    Btw, does anyone know the story behind G-BKLW's partly-painted tail? Perhaps Elipix has a better shot of the craft?


    Response from Andy

    Originally posted by Savoia View Post

    Tim Peake with unidentified SA341B at Middle Wallop on 23rd April 2018 (Photo by Andy Brooks)

    Not sure if Avia member Andy can help us with the ID for this craft. She was flown to Wallop by the British astronaut to attend a fund-raiser at the Museum of Army Flying.
    Andy replied: It was G-BZYD flown in by Tim Peake under the supervision of John Davis.
    Grazie Andy!

    G-BZYD is now owned by Avia member Carl.

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    • Originally posted by Savoia View Post
      Btw, does anyone know the story behind G-BKLW's partly-painted tail?
      The tail fin tip was probably borrowed from her sistership G-BKLV c/n 1307 since both machines were with the same operator (Helicopter Services Ltd.) back in early '80s.

      Btw, great finding Sav!

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      • Helipixman
        Helipixman commented
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        Elipix does have another shot of G-BKLW but I will need to scan it at weekend. There are two other black markings on the Gazelle. One on the front of the rotor housing and one between the orange lines just aft of the cab -infront of the boom ?

      • Savoia
        Savoia commented
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        Ha ha, well I am not surprised .. you have photos of 'everything' Elipix!

        Grazie Zis. Perhaps we will get a closer look at her unorthodox paint scheme through Elipix's photo.



    • SA341G G-BAGL (WA1067) as seen at Farnborough in September 1978

      Ferranti JetRanger G-AWJW behind.

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      • Avia Member 'Stefano' Takes Delivery of the UK's First SA342M



        SA342M G-GLBC (cn.1615) ex-3615/BWA as seen at Crab Tree Farm on 22nd March 2019 (Photo courtesy of Stefano)

        Stefano has today received the latest addition to the Crabtree stable, the first SA342M to feature on the British register.

        Although Stefano acquired this French fighting bird almost a year ago, the craft has been engaged in a lengthy process of 'de-militarisation' and which meant that she could not be delivered until now.

        Today however, the UK's first SA342M landed at Crab Tree Farm to take-up residence as the newest member of the Crabtree collection.

        We wish Stefano and those who fly in her, many safe, happy and memorable hours.

        Congratulazioni Stefano!

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        • Originally posted by Savoia View Post
          SA342M G-GLBC (cn.1615)

          The dataplate inside the aircraft actually reads 3615 and the airframe log book (from when the aircraft was manufactured) also shows 3615.

          According to the French authorities, this is the first 342M to be sold to a private (non-government) owner.

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          • Savoia
            Savoia commented
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            Bravo Stefano! I can only say again .. Congratulazioni!

            Interestingly, when you first mentioned this project I was reasonably convinced that this was going to be the first private 342M, as indeed is now confirmed.

            Is the 342M fitted with stabilisation of some sort?

            Regarding her construction number, thank you for this info. It is a curious decision by the French military to prefix these numbers with 4's and 6's because sequentially they belong to the 1's and 2's. Not sure if anyone has a better understanding of this. Jos/Elipix if you are reading this do you have any suggestions as to why ALAT have left the 1 & 2 sequence and have prefixed these with 4 and 6 instead, even to the point of this being recorded on the dataplate?

          • Helipixman
            Helipixman commented
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            Congratulations....

            I assume we are talking about G-CLBC... somehow in the text its been changed to G-GLBC ????

          • Rotorspot
            Rotorspot commented
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            3615 is the French military serial, 1615 its (official) c/n. And indeed, the correct UK registration is G-CLBC.

        • Originally posted by Savoia View Post
          Is the 342M fitted with stabilisation of some sort?

          Yes the 342M has both Autopilot and SAS.

          There is a 342M in USA, but I don’t know it’s history.

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          • Savoia
            Savoia commented
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            This could be the first Crabtree Gaz with full autopilot fitted.

            Does anyone know the identity of the US 342M?

          • Helipixman
            Helipixman commented
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            I think N342GZ registered to Oregon company Universal Pacific Investment Corp on 8.7.16 serial No.4055 is a 342M

          • Fabrice
            Fabrice commented
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            Indeed, N342GZ is a former ALAT SA342M ("4055" it has been N-registered in 2011.

        • Avia Members Who've Been Gazelling Recently



          Avia member Anja with Serbian Air Force Gazelle, March 2019




          Avia member Adriano with the 'Haelo Gaz' earlier this week


          HA-LFH 'Haelo Gaz' at the Devonshire Arms, March 2019

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          • SA341G ZU-RLU (cn 1097) as seen in South Africa in March 2019




            Serbian SA342 12880 with Mi17

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            • Photo of G-BKLW (from my collection, photographer unknown) and one of sister ship G-BKLV showing the same tail fin colours.



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              • Zishelix
                Zishelix commented
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                And BKLV having MGB-turbine intersection part from BKLW

                Well done Elipix, helpful & resourceful as always!

              • Savoia
                Savoia commented
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                Grazie Elipix, lovely shots, thanks for scanning these, much appreciated!

                c.1984 for these photos I would say. Both birds (stretched) ended-up with Mike Wood, to become G-MANN (now YU-HVZ) and G-OLDH (now YU-HHH).



            • SA341GC I-PNIC (cn.002) seen taking-off in Italy in March 2019




              SA341B G-HSDL (WA1227) as seen lifting-off from Manchester Barton Airport on 25th March 2019




              SA341F2 night flying in South Africa in March 2019




              SA342M Viviane 'GBX' as seen in March 2019

              3/3 Squadron Les Félins have identified this year's 'make-up' candidate for NATO's Tiger Meet, namely SA342M 'GBX'. Look out for her new paint scheme in the weeks ahead!

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              • Originally posted by Rotorspot View Post
                3615 is the French military serial, 1615 its (official) c/n. And indeed, the correct UK registration is G-CLBC.
                What is your source for the official c/n?

                I have some original Aerospatiale production documents that show each of the aircraft in the "no Appareil" column as 3615 etc with the first digit underlined. Agreed it is "line number" 1615, but on that paperwork it is clearly shown as 3615 with 1614 and 1616 before and after it.

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                • Savoia
                  Savoia commented
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                  Wilts, could you post a scan of that doc as it would be interesting to see.

                • Helipixman
                  Helipixman commented
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                  So a line number is basically a construction number and a French military serial number is what it flies as ?

                  From what I can see all the French military SA341F variants use the line no/construction number and also fly as the same.

                  Any French military 342M variant has the 3 or 4 number instead of the 1 or 2 of the line number/construction number. so if the line no. is 1475 it flies as 3475 or if its 2177 it flies as 4177

                  I can see this discussion going on for a while, so in the meantime I will continue to keep my records as they are and use the Line No/Construction number as it is and use the different number as its flying serial.
                  Last edited by Helipixman; 26th March 2019, 18:59.

              • Originally posted by Helipixman View Post
                So a line number is basically a construction number and a French military serial number is what it flies as ?

                From what I can see all the French military SA341F variants use the line no/construction number and also fly as the same.

                Any French military 342M variant has the 3 or 4 number instead of the 1 or 2 of the line number/construction number. so if the line no. is 1475 it flies as 3475 or if its 2177 it flies as 4177

                I can see this discussion going on for a while, so in the meantime I will continue to keep my records as they are and use the Line No/Construction number as it is and use the different number as its flying serial.

                I have the original manufacturing records and that states 3615 and the data plates show this also.

                Await change from UK CAA.

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                • Helipixman
                  Helipixman commented
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                  I agree, for as owner you will have the correct documentation showing the number as 3615. That being the case, what will construction number 1615 be, or does it not exist. Or is 1615 a line number as Jos pointed out ?

                  So basically what is the Gazelle sequence...... line numbers, construction numbers or serial numbers ?

                • Savoia
                  Savoia commented
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                  Agreed, we should sort this out, because on Jos' production list (and which is my 'go to' list for all Gazelle numbers) there would need to be various amendments to '3' and '4' as you have mentioned.

                  AFAIK construction numbers are essentially the same as serials, with different manufacturers referring to them as one or the other. I am not sure of the definition of a 'line number'. I tend to use construction number, because factually .. that's what it is.

                  I understand where Jos is coming from, because (quite clearly) the sequence remains in the 1's and 2's and the jump to 3's and 4's is therefore illogical, much as it is (at least to me) when the numbers jump from 2237 to 5001 and which I totally don't understand.

                  Back to the Crabtree 342M .. would the CAA identify a different construction number?

                  Oh .. and getting back to Elipix's comment on the French military birds, I think each of them also possess a 'civilian' registration (as weird as that sounds) from which the three letter fuselage code is derived. I believe Zis may know more about this.

                • Helipixman
                  Helipixman commented
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                  French military registrations....

                  Interestingly I can use G-CLBC as an example, when it was 3615 it's reported as being at Otterburn ranges, Northumberland on 11.10.92 as code BXE so this would make the french military registration FM-BXE.

                  I am sure I have cockpit shots of another French military Gazelle which show the use of this type of registration. Another one for me to dig out of my collection.
                  Last edited by Helipixman; 27th March 2019, 00:16.

              • Originally posted by Savoia View Post
                c.1984 for these photos I would say. Both birds (stretched) ended-up with Mike Wood, to become G-MANN (now YU-HVZ) and G-OLDH (now YU-HHH).

                Don’t you mean Martin Wood?

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                • Savoia
                  Savoia commented
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                  Sì Stefano, I meant Martin. Age creeping-up on me! In former times I had a check and training captain named Mike Wood whereas I have yet to meet Martin, although Elipix knows him.

              • Here is a Shot of a French military Gazelle cockpit showing the piece of tape with the serial number 3548 and the French military registration FM-BSB



                Photo from the Helipixman collection

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                • Savoia
                  Savoia commented
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                  Nice one Elpix!



              • French Consul General to Australia Monsieur Jacques Dircks-Dilly (left) and Australian Minister for Lands Bill Crabtree, in front of SA341G VH-WLS (cn.1361) at Nielsen Park, Vaucluse in Sydney on 25th October 1976 at the launch of the National Parks and Wildlife Service helicopter operation

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                • Savoia
                  Savoia commented
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                  Another Crabtree associated with a Gazelle!

              • I note md600driver states on post #3762 await change from UK CAA regarding his Gazelle G-CLBC

                Currently it shows serial no as 1615 and previous identity as 3615. So this begs the question where did they get that information from regarding the serial number ? As the owner states he has documentation showing 3615.

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                • Zishelix
                  Zishelix commented
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                  I think the specific 342M & L airframes have genuine production line 1... and 2... c/ns but for some reason (maybe to avoid double-marking with some other ALAT helicopter type) they mark them with 3... & 4... serials. Sadly I can't find any photo of any ALAT Gaz data plate to check this assumption.

                  However, let's hope some French Gazelle expert will join Aviafora and help us with this enigma

                • md600driver
                  md600driver commented
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                  Got confirmation today from CAA that they now accept the serial no is 3615 not 1615
                  Just before deregistration to Hungarian register happy days hopefully flying soon

                • Fabrice
                  Fabrice commented
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                  French ALAT SA 341s retain their original CN (ie 1027, 1562...), but all the SA 342M and L1 have their original Aérospatiale CN augmented by 2000 (except, for some reason, cn 1732, SA342M noted as... 1732!), so "3615" is CN 1615, "4035" is 2035, "4225" is 2225 ans so on...
                  But, please, don't ask me the reason!



              • SA341H 12806 (cn.033) as seen in Serbia in 2013 (Photo by Igor Salinger)




                L'Armée de Terre, training between the EHRA2
                (Squadron of reconnaissance and attack helicopters 2)
                and the Black Devils of the 61st Artillery Regiment
                (61eme régiment d'artillerie)

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                • SA341G G-IZEL (WA1098) as seen at Weston-super-Mare in the 1990's (Photo courtesy of Collezione Elipix/Helipix Collection)

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                  • Originally posted by Rotorspot View Post


                    N419GZ, SA341F2, c/n 1419 changed ownership to Michael Hsing,Yarrow Point,Washington (state) on 16-Jul-2018.
                    The next day (17-Jul-2018) Michael reserved N981MH for this machine (reflecting his initials).

                    Registration N981MH finally taken up on 19-Mar-2019.

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                    • Savoia
                      Savoia commented
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                      Grazie Jos!

                    • Zishelix
                      Zishelix commented
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                      Jos, thanks for info!



                  • Serbian Air Force Gazelles




                    SA342L1 4225 (cn.2225) 'GET' as seen in Valencia, Spain on 23rd June 2018 (Photo by Sylvain Gourheu)

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                    • SA340 Prototype 01

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                      • Savoia
                        Savoia commented
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                        A real piece of Gaz nostalgia there. Interesting to see the Alouette III stabiliser end-plates and what is probably an Alouette II tail-rotor. Nice one XB!

                      • Zishelix
                        Zishelix commented
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                        Great finding XB! A Gazelle before Gazelle

                    • Hi guys! Long time no posted here, I hope you don't mind me

                      I wonder if any of you might know what's the story behind this Gazelle airframe which could be seen at the Heli Technique website https://helitechnique.com/photos/ (see 'Maquette Gazelle' section)



                      Judging by the detail on it's nose I guess it's one of Germany Police 341Gs. It was 'converted' into those fake UK AH.1 as the pictures show. Any clue when these pics were taken and where is it now?

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                    • Sent you a photo of dataplate by email I can’t get the hang of posting here

                      Originally posted by Zishelix View Post
                      I think the specific 342M & L airframes have genuine production line 1... and 2... c/ns but for some reason (maybe to avoid double-marking with some other ALAT helicopter type) they mark them with 3... & 4... serials. Sadly I can't find any photo of any ALAT Gaz data plate to check this assumption.

                      However, let's hope some French Gazelle expert will join Aviafora and help us with this enigma

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                      • Zishelix
                        Zishelix commented
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                        Much appreciated! The 'catch' is in the fact the genuine 1615 was made in 1977 as 341F but upgraded during 1980 into 342M standard and got new c/n!

                    • Originally posted by Zishelix View Post
                      I wonder if any of you might know what's the story behind this Gazelle airframe which could be seen at the Heli Technique website https://helitechnique.com/photos/

                      Judging by the detail on it's nose I guess it's one of Germany Police 341Gs.

                      It was 'converted' into those fake UK AH.1 as the pictures show. Any clue when these pics were taken and where is it now?

                      South Africa.

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                      • Savoia
                        Savoia commented
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                        1014 F-GGPH is in South Africa?



                    • SA341H RA-05702 (cn.058) as seen at Gostilitsy Airfield near St. Petersburg on 28th March 2019




                      Maintaining the Russian theme, be sure and check out Heli-Dog 'Belyi' seen resting in front of a Russian Lama some days ago. You can see Belyi on Heli-Dogs!

                      Anyone with photos of their canine companion together with a blitterblat (it doesn't have to be a Gazelle specifically, any helicopter will do) please send your photos to: aviafora1@gmail.com

                      Grazie mille!

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                      • SA341F2 N9334W (cn.1575) as seen Stateside in 2018

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                        • Zishelix
                          Zishelix commented
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                          And probably N1433W in front view.

                      • A Gazelle at warp speed…

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                        • SA341B G-HSDL (WA1227) as seen at Gloucester Staverton on 31st March 2019 (Photo by Donna Gibbs)

                          It looks as if Howard has had his company titles re-painted.


                          SA341G(S) (cn.1509) N340SM as seen at North Weald on 2nd April 2019 (Photo by Ronnie Macdonald)

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                          • Gazelle F-ZWRL with Arriel engine in-flight test:

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                          • SA341G G-WDEV (WA1098) as seen at Stapleford Airfield in the 2000's (Photo by Michael Rice)

                            On last week's Flashback we featured G-IZEL at Weston-super-Mare and which was the same craft, 1098, now seen above as WDEV (so registered from her time with Wickford Development) and wearing the same scheme, albeit in different colours.

                            Not sure of the craft behind her, but she is sitting on high skids.

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