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  • Zishelix
    started a topic Shrieking Gazelles

    Shrieking Gazelles


    This thread is for the appreciation of the SA.341/342 series Gazelle helicopters of which I am an enthusiast.

    Over the years I have collected a considerable amount of material relating to Gazelles, some of which I will be pleased to share here with those who are interested.

    I will be happy to discuss anything relating to the history of the Gazelle (now almost almost 50 years old) as well as anything and everything relating to its operations around the world. I hope to meet other Gazelle enthusiasts along the way!

    Finally, the Gazelle produces a unique sound as a result of a harmonisation which occurs between the fenestron and the main rotor blades. This effect is sometimes known as "shrieking."

  • Savoia
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    SA341G(S) G-ZELL (cn.1280) as seen at Athens Hellinikon Airport in Greece in the 1990's (Photo courtesy of George Pantalos)




    New Gazelles Delivered to Mozambique

    Aside from the mercenary Gazelles currently operating in Mozambique, two new Gazelles have also recently been delivered as per below:


    SA341B FA-085 (WA1435) as seen at Nacala Airport, Mozambique in February 2021 (ex-XX445)


    SA341B FA-083 (WA1966) as seen at Nacala Airport, Mozambique in February 2021 (ex-ZB673)

    With our thanks to the Avia reader who supplied these photos.

    If you have any Gazelle news, photos or videos you wish to see posted on Shrieking Gazelles, please write to: aviafora1@gmail.com

    Elipix, do you remember how you recently enquired about the whereabouts of some of the Gazelles stored at Stapleford and how I replied that there may have been some which were sold and which we were unaware of .. well here are two which are confirmed (thanks to one of our reader's) as having been stored in Martin's warehouse.

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  • Rotorspot
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    Thanks for the help and updates.

  • Savoia
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    Grazie Fabrizio, so much appreciated! ๐Ÿ‘

  • Fabrice
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    '๐™๐™๐™š ๐™†๐˜ผ๐™ ๐™ฌ๐™š๐™ง๐™š ๐™ฉ๐™๐™š ๐™ก๐™–๐™ช๐™ฃ๐™˜๐™ ๐™˜๐™ช๐™จ๐™ฉ๐™ค๐™ข๐™š๐™ง ๐™›๐™ค๐™ง ๐™ฉ๐™๐™š ๐™Ž๐˜ผ342, ๐™ž๐™š. ๐™ฉ๐™๐™š ๐™›๐™ž๐™ง๐™จ๐™ฉ ๐™˜๐™ช๐™จ๐™ฉ๐™ค๐™ข๐™š๐™ง ๐™ค๐™ช๐™ฉ๐™จ๐™ž๐™™๐™š ๐™ค๐™› ๐™๐™ง๐™–๐™ฃ๐™˜๐™š ๐™ฉ๐™ค ๐™ง๐™š๐™˜๐™š๐™ž๐™ซ๐™š ๐™ฉ๐™๐™ž๐™จ ๐™ซ๐™š๐™ง๐™จ๐™ž๐™ค๐™ฃ?'

    Actually, Kuwait was the very first worldwide customer to have 342s. The ALAT had its own 342M some years later (from 1980 on). The 342 with the Astazou XIV was not designed according to any official requirement, but only as a private initiative from Aerospatiale.

    I don't think that the high gear is linked to any specific version, I believe it is simply an option you can add, or not, like sand filters, armament and so on.

  • xbdt
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    Also I see it has the high gear.

  • Savoia
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    Grazie XB! ๐Ÿ‘

    Fabrizio, the KAF were the launch customer for the SA342, ie. the first customer outside of France to receive this version?

  • Fabrice
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    Indeed, Kuwait was the launch customer for the 342, with the SA 342K version. I still need confirmation, but I believe the 342K was limited to 1800kg MTOW. At some point (I don't have the date, unfortunately), they have been upgraded to become 342Ls, probably with a stronger MGB to sustain the 1900kg TOW. Not all the Kuwaiti Gazelles sport the SA 342L title on the fin however.

  • xbdt
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    I think the K was delivered with the sand filter and MAYBE the Astazou 14M where the 342L has the 14H engine.

  • xbdt
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    Yes of course the latest french 342M's will be with the 355 blades but probably many years from now. It is not just a matter of fitting the 355 blades, but the blade root fixtures are different (so they suit the gazelle sleeves and drag damper) and the pitch links are shorter. Probably the inertia is lower due to the lower rrpm on the 341 and the lighter weight of the blades so maybe therefore they only allowed these to be fitted on the 342.

  • Savoia
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    I think Fabrizio is the one to help us.

  • Savoia
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    Grazie XB! ๐Ÿ‘

    '๐˜ฝ๐™š๐™ฉ๐™ฌ๐™š๐™š๐™ฃ 3 ๐™–๐™ฃ๐™™ 4 ๐™›๐™š๐™š๐™ฉ' โ€” Exactement, c'est ce que je pense.

    '๐™ž๐™ฉ ๐™˜๐™ค๐™ช๐™ก๐™™ ๐™ž๐™ฃ๐™˜๐™ง๐™š๐™–๐™จ๐™š ๐™ฉ๐™๐™š ๐™ฅ๐™–๐™ฎ๐™ก๐™ค๐™–๐™™ ๐™ค๐™› 200๐™ ๐™œ.'; โ€” This is what I imagined, a significant performance enhancement (as if this was needed on a privately operated Gazelle). Perhaps because of the varying rrpm this would be more suited to civilian-owned 342 and presumably in the future some ex-ALAT 342's will be sold to civilians with the Fennec blades fitted. I think you may encounter a small speed increase too if for example you were to fit these to a 342J and then put it on the experimental category (if one wanted to do such a thing).

    '๐™„ ๐™ฌ๐™–๐™จ ๐™ฉ๐™๐™š ๐™‹๐™„๐˜พ ๐™›๐™ค๐™ง ๐™ฉ๐™๐™š ๐™๐™„๐˜ผ๐™ 2019.' โ€” Bravo Julien ๐Ÿ‘ tu es une โญ

  • Rotorspot
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    Originally posted by Savoia View Post

    SA342L KAF501 (cn.1085) as seen at Ali Al Salem Air Base in Kuwait in July 2016 (Photo by S. Teliks)

    Seeing the nice picture of the Kuwaiti SA342L, reminds me of a question that I have. I think the Kuwaiti Gazelles were delivered as SA342K models. Some are now known as SA342L model. Have they been modified? If so, when did that happen?

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  • Tasty
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    Between 3 and 4 feet and I confirm that this Gazelle is wearing Fennec blades (like all the 342M1 and MA).

    I donโ€™t know if you can fit these blades on a 341B but it could increase the payload of 200kg.

    I was the PIC for the RIAT 2019.

  • xbdt
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    Yes these are 355 blades, not allowed to be fitted on a 341 for autorotation reasons (that is what I was being told). The 341 spins at 378 rpm and the 342 at 387 rpm. Also Airbus gave only permission to be fitted onto 342M.

  • Savoia
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    SA342MV F-MGBE (cn.2053) as seen at RAF Fairford on 20th July 2019 (Photo by Lee Adcock)

    Estimated Blade Height Competition!

    Approximately how high do you think GBE's forward main blade is from the ground?

    a) 2 feet
    b) 3 feet
    c) 4 feet
    d) 5 feet

    Please offer your best estimate in the comments below.

    Fabrizio, can you confirm that this aircraft is wearing Fennec blades. Also, can anyone say whether you can fit Fennec blades onto an SA341B for example and what the increased performance would be?




    SA341B XZ333 (WA1622) as seen at RAF Mildenhall on 29th May 1988




    Digital SA342MV's




    Gazelles engaged in mercenary operations in the Cabo Delgado province of Mozambique in February 2021

    The current mercenary rotary force in Mozambique consists of 2 x Gazelle, 2 x Alouette III and 1 x Bell 407.

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  • Savoia
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    Grazie Fabrizio! ๐Ÿ‘

    A lot of misinformation being sent with these photos, but we are so glad for your input.

  • Fabrice
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    Not in Mali, an pre-2009 picture. From 2009 on, all the ALAT Gazelles have been coded with lifelong regs, beginning with a G. On this one, the reg indicates the unit as per the old system, in this case Etain's 3รจme RHC. It's a SA 341F2 btw (no doppler fairing under the aft fuselage, which makes the most noticeable difference with the ALAT 342s).

  • Savoia
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    SA342L KAF501 (cn.1085) as seen at Ali Al Salem Air Base in Kuwait in July 2016 (Photo by S. Teliks)




    SA342M as seen in Mali in 2013

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  • Savoia
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    SA342M's at ร‰tain-Rouvres Air Base in February 2021


    SA342M F-MGEC near ร‰tain-Rouvres Air Base in February 2021




    SA341D XZ936 (WA1743) as seen at RAF Fairford on 22nd July 1989

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  • Savoia
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    Grazie Jakub!

    That's really helpful to have the right construction number. ๐Ÿ‘ I am wondering though whether it is an F2?

    Jos has this aircraft as being on the US register as N341KJ, although I have never seen a photo of this.

  • Jakub Cikhart
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    Great pic !!! It looks like it is 1483 not 1438, with BWN (I have it wrongly as BWH) with 34 tail code. I have it as an SA-341F1, 3e RHC, green camo, JVN, NAVSTAR (HAP). Really great great pic !!!

  • Savoia
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    SA341F2 N2MF (cn.1448) as seen at North Las Vegas Airport on 19th January 2021 (Photo by Robert Domandl)




    SA341B XX384 (WA1276) as seen at Gutersloh in Germany on 16th June 1999 (Photo by Joop de Groot)




    F-MBWN as seen at Phalsbourg in May 1991 (Photo by Gilles Tariol)

    Jakub, I am not sure if this was a Gulf War Gaz, but she seems to be wearing the appropriate markings.

    I am also unsure as to which model this is (341F2?) and of her construction number. There was mention of 1438, but on Jos' list this is recorded as a 342L with Ecuadorian markings. Hopefully Fabrizio can assist us.




    Arms Dealers Facing Prosecution

    Erik Prince (American) and Amanda Perry (British) are among those accused by the United Nations of violating an arms embargo through their association with 'Operation Opus' which involved the supply of weapons and armaments to Libyan warlord Khalifa Haftar in 2019. Also supplied were a number of aircraft including three Gazelle helicopters.

    https://www.foxnews.com/world/blackw...ions-un-report

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/u...ftar-mjztpc29d

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  • Savoia
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    SA341G ZU-ROO (cn1301) as seen at Mossel Bay Airport on 26th November 2020 (Photo by Cassie Nel)

    While the above photo was taken by Cassie Nel, it was sent to us by Duncan Gillespie who also sent us all the photos and videos relating to ZU-RLD's recent event. Grazie mille Duncan!




    SA341B XW865 (WA1119) as seen at Calgary Airport on 16th July 2020




    SA341B XX405 (WA1343) as seen at Aldergrove in Northern Ireland on 17th February 2021 (Photo by Jonas Verner)

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  • Savoia
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    SA341G G-BAGJ (WA1039) as seen at Cirencester Park in Gloucestershire on 13th June 1973 (Photo by Trevor Bartlett)

    The lovely G-BAGJ seen attending a balloon meet in 1973, and just visible behind BAGJ .. the equally lovely G-AWGU which I had the pleasure of flying many times in the late 70's and early 80's.


    SA341G HA-LFA (cn.1097) as seen in Hungary NFI

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  • xbdt
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    There were 28 helicopter and plane accidents in SA last month only. They are now investigating the fuel as possible cause to all these accidents.

  • Savoia
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    '๐™ƒ๐™ค๐™ฌ ๐™ข๐™ช๐™˜๐™ ๐™™๐™–๐™ข๐™–๐™œ๐™š ๐™™๐™ค๐™š๐™จ ๐™ž๐™ฉ ๐™™๐™ค ๐™ฉ๐™ค ๐™ฉ๐™๐™š ๐™š๐™ฃ๐™œ๐™ž๐™ฃ๐™š/๐™œ๐™š๐™–๐™ง๐™—๐™ค๐™ญ ๐™š๐™ฉ๐™˜ ๐™ฌ๐™๐™š๐™ฃ ๐™ฉ๐™๐™š ๐™ง๐™ค๐™ฉ๐™ค๐™ง๐™จ ๐™จ๐™š๐™ซ๐™š๐™ง๐™š ๐™ฉ๐™๐™š ๐™ฉ๐™–๐™ž๐™ก ๐™—๐™ค๐™ค๐™ข? ๐™๐™š๐™—๐™ช๐™ž๐™ก๐™™๐™–๐™—๐™ก๐™š ๐™ค๐™ง ๐™ซ๐™š๐™ง๐™ฎ ๐™š๐™ญ๐™ฅ๐™š๐™ฃ๐™จ๐™ž๐™ซ๐™š?' โ€” Such an event classifies as a 'sudden stoppage'. In such circumstances manufacturers and national aviation authorities require that all dynamic components be stripped, inspected and overhauled. The fuselage must also be inspected and necessary repairs made. In brief, its expensive.

    Regarding whether an aircraft is rebuildable; technically most accidents in which the aircraft has not been destroyed by impact and/or fire can be rebuilt, the question is whether it is economic to do so. Oftentimes it is cheaper, and certainly quicker, to buy another aircraft. When it comes to the airframe, the cost of a rebuild is greatly influenced by whether or not the airframe needs to be repaired with the aid of a jig, which usually indicates that the fuselage's structural integrity has been compromised to such an extent that major repair work is required.

    Yes, the craft has been repainted and I believe has a new owner also (to be confirmed).

  • Savoia
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    Grazie Jos, this information is much appreciated! ๐Ÿ‘

  • Helipixman
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    Agree with your history, I have notes on this Gazelle stating it was built as an HT.2 but issued to the RAF so did change to HT.3. It was noted as stored at Wroughton in 1979 along with a few other HT.2s which also went to the RAF. I have it as being with Central Flying School coded Z, then to ETPS still as Z then as you quote to Qinetiq and then G-CLGO.

  • Zishelix
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    Bad news, indeed
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