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  • Savoia
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    The Westland Scout




    The Westland Scout was developed from the Saunders-Roe P531 which first flew on 20th July 1958 and was powered by a Blackburn Turmo 603 engine. My late godfather was a test pilot on this aircraft, with both the A&AEE Boscombe Down and with Ferranti Aircraft Systems.

    The production Scout was fitted with a Bristol Siddeley Nimbus (later Rolls-Royce Nimbus) 101 engine although test flights had utilised both the Bristol Siddeley and a De Havilland Gnome H1000. The Scout’s layout involved two front seats and a three-seat rear bench although this could be replaced with a four-seat bench when fitted with modified rear doors. In the casevac role it carried two stretchers internally and two externally in panniers. Skid landing gear was standard.

    The type entered service with the Army Air Corps in 1963 and was a replacement for the Westland Sioux (Bell 47) which in turn had replaced the Saunders-Roe Skeeter. The Scout was primarily used as a multi-role tactical aircraft with duties such as observation, liaison, training and search and rescue.

    When armoured as a light attack helicopter it carried either two skid-mounted forward-firing
    (L8A1 GPMG) machine gun packs or a single pintle-mounted machine gun in the rear cabin. The pintle mount was available in both port and starboard mountings. The gun-packs, which were both aimed at a pre-set convergence angle, carried 200 rounds of ammunition and were mounted on a tubular spar that was fixed between the front and rear undercarriage legs. Tests were also carried out with a Browning M2, also mounted in the rear cabin.

    Gun Sight

    In the anti-tank role the Scout could carry four wire-guided missiles (the Nord SS11). These missiles had a range of around 6,000 metres but, to employ this weapon, some form of optical magnification had to be used so that the operator could identify the target as well as the missile flare. For this purpose the Army used the Avimo-Ferranti AF120. This unit had a x2.5 and x10 magnification and employed Ferranti’s considerable expertise in gyro-stabilisation to allow the weapons officer to deliver track and direct missile guidance. The lower part of the AF120 could be retracted into its housing while not is use and which gave this device a periscope-like ‘feel’ to it. The sighting head used a gyro-stabilised mirror and was enclosed in a double-skin casing outside the canopy and the entire system mounted on a tubular sub-frame which employed anti-vibration mountings. My godfather was involved in the weapons testing flights for the AF120 and which took place at the Castlemartin range in Pembrokeshire, South Wales.

    Northern Ireland


    In Northern Ireland the Scout pioneered the use of the Heli-Tele aerial surveillance system, having a gyro-stabilised Marconi unit fitted in the rear cabin. The Heli-Tele unit weighed some 700 lb (320 kg), although later developments reduced this weight significantly. In this role the rear cabin doors and seats were removed and four troops sat in the rear cabin with their feet resting on the skids. Operating with two aircraft in unison, this allowed an eight man patrol to be quickly inserted into an area and set-up snap Vehicle Check Points (VCPs) when necessary.

    Up until 1973, the standard tail rotor colour scheme for the Scout were bands of red and white. On 14 September 1973 a soldier died during training at Gosford Castle, Armagh, after coming into contact with the tail rotor blades whilst the aircraft was on the ground. Following this accident the tail rotor blade colour scheme was changed to the distinctive black and white bands.

    Because of the specialist nature of operations in Northern Ireland, a particularly important piece of role equipment was introduced in the form of the 'Nightsun' 3.5 million candle power searchlight. Operations at night were greatly enhanced with the introduction of Night Vision Goggles (NVGs), although these missions could still be hazardous. This was evident on the night of 2nd December 1978 when the pilot of XW614, 659 Sqn, became disorientated during a sortie and crashed into Lough Ross, killing the two crew. XW614 was the last of five Scouts written off during operations in the Province.

    Falklands

    At the start of “Operation Corporate” six Scouts from 3 Commando Brigade Air Squadron were operating alongside three machines from No. 656 Squadron AAC, and when 5 Infantry Brigade landed they were joined by another three Scouts from 656 Squadron.

    During the Falklands conflict the Scout was engaged in CASEVAC, re-supply and Special Forces insertion roles. One aircraft, XT629, was one of two Scouts of B Flight 3 Commando Brigade Air Squadron, that was attacked by two FMA IA 58 Pucarás (the only Argentine air-to-air victory in the war) of Grupo 3 near Camilla Creek House, North of Goose Green. XT629 was hit by cannon fire and crashed, killing the pilot and severing the leg of the crewman, who was thrown clear of the wreckage on impact. The second Scout evaded the Pucarás and later returned to the site to CASEVAC the survivor.

    Another Scout, XR628, of 656 Sqn AAC, suffered a main rotor gearbox failure whilst in a low hover over MacPhee Pond, 8th June 1982. XR628 had taken cover as two pairs of A-4 Skyhawks from Grupo 5 approached, these aircraft later attacked the RFA LSLs Sir Galahad and Sir Tristram at Bluff Cove. Once the threat had passed and the pilot began to climb away, the main gearbox failed at the main input drive and the aircraft made a forced landing at the lakeside in around four feet of water. The two crew were picked up by another 656 Sqn Scout piloted by Capt. J G Greenhalgh later that day. The aircraft was eventually recovered and airlifted to Fitzroy by Sea King on 11th June, but was subsequently written off on its return to the UK. Following research at the National Archive, Kew, it has been determined that XR628 was the same aircraft that was shot down, 26th May 1964, carrying 3 Para CO Lt. Col. Farrar-Hockley.

    Scouts armed with SS11 anti-tank missiles gained combat experience during the Falklands campaign, notably on 14th June 1982 when an Argentine 105 mm Pack Howitzer battery dug in to the West of Stanley Racecourse was firing at the Scots Guards as they approached Mount Tumbledown. As the guns were out of range of the Milan ATGWs of nearby 2 Para, their 2IC, Major Chris Keeble, contacted Capt. J G Greenhalgh of 656 Sqn AAC on the radio and requested a HELARM using SS11 missiles to attack on them. As he was engaged in ammunition re-supply, his Scout was not fitted with missile booms. This was in order to reduce weight and increase the aircraft lift capability. Capt. Greenhalgh then returned to Estancia House, where his aircraft was refuelled, fitted out, and armed with four missiles in 20 minutes with the rotors still turning. An ‘O’ group was then held with the crews of two Scouts of 3 CBAS and Capt. Greenhalgh took off on a reconnaissance mission, while the other aircraft were fitted out and readied. Within 20 minutes he had located the target and carried out a detailed recce of the area. He fired two missiles at the enemy positions and then returned to a pre-arranged RV to meet up and guide in the other two Scouts. The three aircraft, positioned 100 metres apart, then fired a total of ten missiles (nine missiles hit, one failed) from the ridge overlooking the Argentine positions 3000m away and succeeded in hitting the howitzers, nearby bunkers, an ammunition dump and the command post. The Argentine troops returned mortar fire, a round landing directly in front of Capt. Greenhalgh’s Scout.



    Army Air Corps Westland Scout AH1 XP905 (armed with four Nord SS11's) as seen at Middle Wallop on 11th July 1986 (Photo: Robin Walker)


    Army Scout at Bessbrook Mill, County Armagh


    The Avimo-Ferranti AF120 gun sight for the Scout


    Internal 'periscope' arrangement for the AF120


    Casualties being transferred to a Westland Scout during the Falklands War in 1982


    Army Scout AH1 XP900

  • Savoia
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    Grazie Andy! 👍

  • AndyM
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    The M shape is caused by the dayglo being cut around what appears to be a modification to the nose bay door. The last image in post 3 gives you a view of same also post 19.. So question is what was the modification for?

  • Savoia
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    Grazie Andy! 👍

  • AndyM
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    Originally posted by Helipixman View Post

    XP890 was badly damaged at Middle Wallop when Bell 47G-4 G-AXKT landed on top of it in 1981.

    And here is a photo of the aftermath of that collision:

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    XP902 (F9503) as seen at Groningen-Eelde Airfield in the Netherlands on 2nd October 1981 (Photo by Jack Poelstra)

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  • Savoia
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    This is a great photo Elipix .. as always. Guessing this is late 50's as opposed to early 60's but am going to have to make some enquiries to in order to obtain some further info.

    We do see from the early shipborne landing trials that one version of the P531 was installed with a skid undercarriage fitted with oleo struts, but the P531 also had a version with wheels which was displayed at Farnborough in 1958 as shown on the previous page: http://www.aviafora.com/forums/forum...?p=394#post394

  • Helipixman
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    G-WASR

    Here is a photograph of a what looks like a Westland Scout bearing the fictitious markings "G-WASR" just visible behind the strut. But if you look at the boards on the floor it clearly states Westland Wasp ? This begs the question was the Wasp originally intended to have skids ?

    It is from my collection and that is about as much as I know, could it be at Farnborough ? What year ?

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  • Savoia
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    Westland Scout G-KAXW-XW612 (F9740) as seen at Duxford on 18th September 2015 (Photo by Christopher Murkin)

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    '595' Comes Home

    As reported further above, Westland Scout G-BWHU (formerly XR595), has recently completed a restoration and overhaul and took to the skies two weeks ago for a series of test flights.

    We are now glad to report that following this work, '595' has safely arrived at her home in Southam, Warwickshire.

    Wishing the Cowley's many hours of happy flying!


    Westland Scout G-BWHU (formerly XR595) cn.F9517 as seen in Southam, Warwickshire on 7th July 2020

    Photo and information courtesy of Jack Cowley.

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  • Savoia
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    G-CIMX


    Westland Scout G-CIMX (F9738) formerly XW283 as seen at North Weald on 25th June 2020

    This photo captured yesterday after G-CIMX had popped-in to North Weald for some light maintenance.

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    G-BWHU Now Flying + G-SCTA Engine Overhaul & Total Repaint

    As mentioned in April courtesy of Avia reader and Scout owner Andrew Baker, G-BWHU is now airworthy .. and airborne! Today G-BWHU took to the skies for the first time since her extensive restoration.

    At the same time G-SCTA fired-up her engine for the first time after an extensive overhaul. G-SCTA is wearing a completely new livery the details of which we are waiting to learn more about.


    Westland Scout G-BWHU (F9517) formerly XR595 as seen at North Weald on 23rd June 2020 (Photo by Matthew)

    G-BWHU seen conducting one of numerous post-restoration test fligts.


    Westland Scout G-SCTA (F9701) formerly XV126 as seen at North Weald on 23rd June 2020 (Photo by Matthew)

    G-SCTA conducting her first ground run since an engine overhaul with G-BWHU behind.


    G-SCTA sporting her new livery at North Weald on 23rd June 2020 (Photo by Matthew)

    G-SCTA's new livery is a tribute to 'Exercise Lionheart' conducted in Germany in 1984. This exercise involved a total of 131,565 British troops of which 50,000 were immediately deployable.


    Scouts G-SCTA and G-BWHU at North Weald on 23rd June 2020 (Photo by Matthew)

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  • Savoia
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    Westland Scout G-KAXW (9740) ex-XW612 as seen at Dunchurch in Warwickshire on 15th April 2020




    Additional Wasp and Scout Soon to be Flying!

    Avia reader Andrew Baker (owner of Scout XW612) reports that we will soon see two new additions to the UK's fleet of airworthy Wasps and Scouts.

    Aside from his existing Scout, Andrew has recently acquired Westland Wasp G-BYCX (F9754), and which he expects will be flying by summer.

    Additionally, one of Andrew's friends Mark Cowley, recently bought Westland Scout G-BWHU (F9517) ex-XR595, and this too is expected to be airworthy by summer.

    Both aircraft were photographed (below) at North Weald airfield during engine runs.

    As the airworthy Wasp and Scout population is so small, to learn of these developments is great news indeed!


    Westland Wasp Mk1B G-BYCX (F9754) seen together with Scout G-BWHU (F9517) at North Weald airfield on 15th April 2020

    All photos courtesy of Andrew Baker.

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  • Savoia
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    Westland Scout G-SCTA (F9701) ex-XV126 as seen at Manchester Barton on 16th November 2019

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    Lamborghini Huracán with Westland Wasp G-RIMM as seen in November 2019

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  • Savoia
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    Thanks very much MPR. Sad, but it makes sense. Do you happen to know how many Scouts in total were sold off by the MoD?

  • MPR_Helinews
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    Savoia - I doubt very much that any more Scout's will get back in the air. Unless Weald Aviation have got a load hidden under tarpaulins some spares are scarce. From my knowledge when given great access at Military Helicopters at Thruxton a few years ago, a few of the critical components then were in very short supply and some of those were close to time expired. So I think it's more a case of combining airframes and parting out to keep a few remaining in the air in the future.

  • Savoia
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    G-SCTA


    Westland Scout G-SCTA (F9701) ex-XV126 as seen at Portrush, Co. Antrim in Northern Ireland on 1st September 2019
    (Photo by Artur Zak)

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  • Savoia
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    Fascinating Elipix, grazie!

  • Helipixman
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    Back in October 1997 I visited RNAS Almondbank near Perth, Scotland and photographed 5 Westland Scout helicopters being sold by tender bidding. They were:- XP890 XR625 (Really XT625) XR628 XT645 and XV138.











    They were all purchased and moved to the Ipswich area, either with Bolenda Engineering (Lee Rofix) or Everett Aero Supplies.

    XP890 was badly damaged at Middle Wallop when Bell 47G-4 G-AXKT landed on top of it in 1981
    XV138 became G-SASM many years later in 2010

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  • Savoia
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    Great info Elipix. It will be interesting to see whether more Scouts become airworthy in the years ahead.

  • Helipixman
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    Here is what I believe to be a complete list of all civil registered Westland Scout Helicopters in the UK and their fate !

    G-APVL sold 18.8.10 to ZK-HJG
    G-APVM Cancelled 2.10.68 to XR493
    G-ARGI Reservation not taken up
    G-BKLJ parts used in G-BMIR (Wasp)
    G-BWHU Current with Nigel Boston but has a potential change in progress
    G-BWJW Withdrawn from use 13.11.12
    G-BWLX Cancelled 3.8.10 became N438VC
    G-BXOE Cancelled 21.1.98 re-registered as G-ONEB
    G-BXRL Crashed 15.7.98 and again on 16.10.99 wfu
    G-BXRRCancelled 23.1.14 re-registered as G-KAXW
    G-BXRS Current with Christopher John Marsden
    G-BXSL Crashed at Cambridge 19.11.01
    G-BYKJ Cancelled 15.8.19 to A9C-
    G-BYNZ Crashed 24.9.00 at Lugershall
    G-BYRX Crashed 29.11.15 at Ruddington
    G-BZBD Crashed 23.8.00 at Streatley
    G-CBUH Cancelled 18.8.10 to ZK-HQU
    G-CIBW Current with Historic Aircraft Flight Trust
    G-CIMX Current with Graham Hinckley
    G-CRUM Current with Andrew Goddard
    G-KAXL Cancelled 27.4.06 to Sierra leone
    G-KAXW Current with Military Vehicle Solutions Ltd
    G-NOTY Cancelled by CAA 15.11.18
    G-ONEB Cancelled 12.5.06 to Sierra Leone
    G-SASM Current with Christopher Marsden
    G-SCTA Current with Guy Harrison but has a potential change in progress
    G-SROE Current with Saunders Roe Helicopters Ltd.

    Helipixman

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  • Savoia
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    The latest currently airworthy Scouts in the UK.

    Since our previous list (see above) we have seen the addition of G-BXRS and G-CIMX, but Elipix has a more comprehensive summary of Scout activity which he has threatened to post shortly!

    XW612


    Andrew Baker as seen with his Westland Scout G-KAXW (F9740) ex-XW612 at Dunchurch Showground in Rugby on 25th August 2019

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    Westland Scout Arrival and Landing at Old Warden



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  • Savoia
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    G-BYKJ


    Westland Scout G-BYKJ (F9696) as seen at Perth Scone Airport on 12th April 2008


    It 'seems' as if there are but three Scouts in the UK with an active permit to fly:




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  • Savoia
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    Brilliant stuff Denissimo!

    Never really knew much about Bill Bailey so any additional comments about him would be welcome.

    What was your overall impression of the Scout when you flew G-NOTY?

    I mean there aren't so many British designed and built single turbine helicopters, but the Scout was one of them!

    Herewith a clip of the Scout performing an auto from a free air hover, which you might find enjoyable:


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  • Dennis Kenyon
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    Just a note to say that my rotary-wing training was conducted by that lovely ex-AAC gentleman Bill Bailey of Westland Scout fame. Bill soon had me off solo and with immediate thoughts of copying Mike Meger's superb display handling (see my comments on the Enstrom thread), I set out to gain some serious helicopter handling.

    Some of you might know that dear Bill Bailey was indeed a Scout whizz kid. Flying during the Aden troubles he lost his tail rotor from ground fire, but knowing a thing or two about Scout handling, Bill kept the machine airborne to safely reach base. His reward was the coveted DFM. And they don't give those away with a pound of NAAFI tea. So I can claim that as Bill was weened off the lovely old Scout, so he in turn weened me off the new Enstrom.

    I never graded as a Scout P1 but I did get to spend a whole day flying G-NOTY out of Thruxton and later the equivalent Wasp version when writing an article for the newish LOOP magazine. Photos from both these occasions you can see on the previous page.

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  • Warty
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    I don't remember starting problems as being any big deal - just part of a normal day's work. A lot of these were sorted on the dispersal so they would never have made it into the 700.

  • Savoia
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    Wow Warty! What terrific photos, bravo!

    You mentioned on the previous page that another Scout had an engine failure. Were these a common occurrence?

    UK Serials has XT637 listed as being scrapped at Yeovilton in 1994, so it would indeed be interesting to know whether she flew again. Have to say that there doesn't seem to be any obviously available information to confirm this, but hopefully we may happen upon some additional details.

    > http://www.ukserials.com/prodlists.php?type=957

  • Warty
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    XT637

    This aircraft suffered an engine failure shortly after take-off from Hildesheim Airfield in Germany, due to water-contaminated fuel. Following a hasty auto-rotation. it skidded along a farmer's field, crossed the first drainage ditch but failed to climb the second!





    As you can see, the main-rotor dropped down too far on impact and chopped out a chunk of tail rotor drive shaft. I think that's it lying on the ground. The nose got a bit bashed in but it didn't look all that serious to me (I was sent out to get photos for the accident investigation). Nevertheless, I understood that it was written off as being beyond economic repair.

    This accident was in January 1980. What confuses me is that there are several instances of XT637 being mentioned in the Falklands. One Argentinian post suggests that this airframe was piloted by "Sargento D.KALINSKY" (sic) the week before the swimming-Scout incident in 1982. XT637 (of 656 Sqn) is also claimed to have been damaged during a Skyhawk raid on June 13th 1982 and had to be airlifted out for repair.

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